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 TheHappieHippies
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 My Personal Philosophy of God
#8587321 - 07/02/08 10:48 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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I had to write this for intro to Philosophy, and I just came across it again. it's funny. My beliefs have changed so very much in such a short time. i just wrote this back in February, and I don't even consider myself a christian at all anymore. Nor do I believe that Jesus was God incarnate. In April of this year I had a massive spiritual awakening, about the same time I started trying to envision that path i want to take from here. I realized that in order to know where I am going I have to evaluate what I've gotten out of where I have been. I examined my life thoroughly, and I am still in the process. But the major reform in my spiritual beliefs was so freeing that I am in shock.
My Personal Philosophy of God
I have done a lot of seeking when it comes to my philosophy of God. I have participated in, and studied many different belief systems of the world, including Islam, Buddhism, The Hare Krishna, Wicca and other pagan belief systems, Christianity, and more.
I have come to believe in the God of The Bible. I do believe that there are, or were, other lesser gods, I understand that this is what God was referring to in Genesis, when he used the word “we”, before he had created any others. He even told us that none of these other Gods are to be held before Him in the commandments he gave to Moses.
I believe that God conceived himself as a human in the Virgin Mary, who was named Jesus. My understanding of the life of Christ is a bit different from the majority of Christians. I can see that we have been given the ultimate tool in learning how to live. God Himself, a human who lived amongst us. The ultimate example in how to live our lives has been provided to us with this.
In studying Christianity, I have included the study of some documents that have been suppressed for one reason or another, generally by the Vatican, in attempt to preserve there own status quo. I have found in the study of these, explanations for questions that the books of the Bible begged me to ask. The results of this have led me to make it a personal rule to never accept the words of other humans as truth without finding my own evidence.
Initially, I was thrown off by some things in the traditional beliefs of Christians, things that really bothered me, and seemed wrong, such as acceptance of the idea that Gandhi roasts in Hell, while Ted Bundy, who repented before being put to death, is enjoying the splendor of heaven.
There is no way in my understanding of our loving God that he would allow this to stand as is. Upon further studying of this concept, I remembered that Jesus pointed out that John was Elijah, reincarnated. I have come to believe in reincarnation, as a simple fact that proves Jesus did indeed die to save us all, as he claimed to. If the only way to heaven is through the acceptance of Jesus as savior, and repentance for living a life riddled with sin, then the only way to have ensured the safety of ALL is if we are given more then one chance. This accounts for people in life situations where they will never hear about Jesus or the Bible, such as the people of China, who are legally forbidden to even learn about the Bible. Reincarnation also gives a more logical solution of the Ted Bundy in heaven and Gandhi in Hell scenario. It means that Gandhi could have lived his last life and found heaven in his years since death, and that Ted Bundy could very well be living an interstitial life as anal bacteria.
Upon incorporating these beliefs in my life, I have come to a conclusion, that there is a way in which we should be living. Obviously, the living example of Jesus’ life is an excellent tool. I try to ask myself “what would Jesus do?” In every situation I find myself. When doing this, I found myself making decisions that led to prosperity.
I have also come to the determination that living a Buddhist lifestyle will attain the goal of living in the right way. After meeting my current husband, who is a Buddhist, I have done some studying of Buddhism naturally, only in an attempt to understand him better. Upon looking into Buddhism I first recognized Buddhist dharma as the best system of living in the right way that I have come across in my lifetime. The strong emphasis on meditation is a big factor to me. My personal experience with meditation and prayer has made for my most effective communication with my spirit, which I believe to be in communication with God. Some people would say that I am actually communicating with my own intuition, but I believe my intuition to be God.
This brings me to my final important belief; I believe that God is inside us and all around us. I believe that life itself is divine, that all life is part of God, and that God is Life. I have much personal study, and experience that have led me to believe this. However most of this is based in speculation, and I shall reserve it for now.
I guess I have landed on a much looser understanding of it all. It seems still possible to me that all of the above is true, but I don't know, so I am not going to count on it. The last paragraph about sums up my philosophy of God at this point in time: The divinity of life. That is the one thing I have held onto through it all. I know from my personal experiences that there is a divine spark in us all. I have also learned how very closely life is tied to love. I suspect that life and love are two aspects of the same divine power. God is more then a part of all life and all love to me. Life and Love are God, the creator of all there is.
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You should find a copy of this. Rad read, imo.
"...it was the supreme "heresy" which cam on, made terms with the secular powers, and became the church of today."
JA, SMATC, intro page xvii
Tell your husband sorry for screaming at him in the 'air dirty laundry thread' in P&MWB.
My bad.
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I know from my personal experiences that there is a divine spark in us all. ]
You know? How do you know? Maybe better to suspect some things rather then go out on a limb and face the wrath of Ice.
When you "know" something on this forum and you say you know it some of us like you to demonstrate it. 
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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Believing god is inside & all around is a good thing to believe, but you seem to have LOTS of beliefs! Which is a nice thing seeing as your beliefs are quite "nice" but imagine you woke up 2mro and had forgotten all your beliefs.
What would define you then?
Its good to have positive beliefs but they should not define who you are, you can have acquired knowledge from the bible but isit your direct experience?
I personally believe no-one should practice blind faith and all thing realting to "god" should be individual personal experience, otherwise you could be led to believe alot of fanatical things in the name of "god"
If you wish to have direct experience of divinity in this life abandon all your beliefs and pray/meditate for experience of absolute truth that cant be defined in any belief system. True knowledge is in direct experience, otherwise its just something fed to us & absorbed, which is something that will be washed away by the tides of time, when you fully discover the divinity inside you it cant be shaken off, words beliefs & concepts are shaken off many times over a lifetime, take a look at what takes on all these concepts and identifies with them...
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8587500 - 07/02/08 11:35 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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HH: but I believe my intuition to be God.
Chron: otherwise you could be led to believe alot of fanatical things in the name of "god"
"Ye are all Gods."
JC
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Everything is god, including ted bundy & ghandi
Nice pic BFTD, good teeth 
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8587570 - 07/02/08 11:59 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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IMO there is no God. Everything just is. No evidence for a God and none needed for everything to be exactly as it is.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
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I know from my personal experiences that there is a divine spark in us all. ]
You know? How do you know? Maybe better to suspect some things rather then go out on a limb and face the wrath of Ice.
When you "know" something on this forum and you say you know it some of us like you to demonstrate it.
How should I demonstrate our divinity?
Could I use intuition as an example?
How about the powers of suggestion, prayer, and meditation? Those give us an innate ability to create our lives, add to the creation of the lives around us, and to design our world collectively.
Regardless of whether it is proof enough for you, it IS indeed proof enough for me.
What could I be risking by trusting in that? Embarrassment? Who cares? If my understanding is wrong, it will have caused me to harm none.
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imagine you woke up 2mro and had forgotten all your beliefs.
What would define you then?
um... I dunno. Do you?
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Icelander]
#8587605 - 07/02/08 12:08 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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IMO there is no God. Everything just is. No evidence for a God and none needed for everything to be exactly as it is.
IS, is god.
I dislike the word God as its been abused for such bs in the past.
Existence is a nice word for "it"
Everything just is
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When it comes down to it, I DO have lots of beliefs. Or rather, possible beliefs. I have an open mind to it all, including the possibility that there is nothing, no God, that this day does not even exist, and my experiences and the people I have known, and places I have seen exist only in a momentary dream, dreamt by some alien being, only to be forgotten in the morning. Maybe we are all just memories of some life that lived once but died before time was created.
There is plenty I don't know. But I am progressively learning, I can say that. I might never know it all, and I might already possess the secrets of the universe in my very mind, lacking only the ability to access that knowledge.
I'm okay with not knowing, as long as i am learning. I am sure my understanding will change some more. After all, that is what growing is all about.
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TheHappieHippies said:
When it comes down to it, I DO have lots of beliefs. Or rather, possible beliefs. I have an open mind to it all, including the possibility that there is nothing, no God, that this day does not even exist, and my experiences and the people I have known, and places I have seen exist only in a momentary dream, dreamt by some alien being, only to be forgotten in the morning. Maybe we are all just memories of some life that lived once but died before time was created.
There is plenty I don't know. But I am progressively learning, I can say that. I might never know it all, and I might already possess the secrets of the universe in my very mind, lacking only the ability to access that knowledge.
I'm okay with not knowing, as long as i am learning. I am sure my understanding will change some more. After all, that is what growing is all about.
Nice  being open is the only thing thats necessary, when searching for highest truth the only hinderance is unwillingness to be open to truth, the only thing that makes us unwilling is clinging to what we think truth should be or should not be.
Learning is sweet & a very fun play but truly what you are in essence learns nothing new, you only remember what you have forgotten
Recognize what is always here & never changes, when you discover this nothing will ever trouble you again and there wont be any more need for any beliefs.
I say the less you believe the more you see (i dont mean that with the slightest hint of cynicism)
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When you "know" something on this forum and you say you know it some of us like you to demonstrate it.
Regardless of whether it is proof enough for you, it IS indeed proof enough for me.
What could I be risking by trusting in that? Embarrassment? Who cares? If my understanding is wrong, it will have caused me to harm none.
This is a good point. This issue comes up all the time in this forum. One user 'knows' something through personal experience or intuition, but it cannot be proven to another user, because internal experiences cannot be communicated to another except by subjective anecdotes.
You are right, you do not have to prove your understanding to anybody. But when you want to share your understanding -- which, like all knowledge, amounts only to a personal belief -- many users in this forum will ignore it or criticize it if you do not include objective evidence they can understand. It's just par for the course here.
Here's the way I see it: The purpose of evidence is so that one can share conclusions with other people; one feels safer believing what they believe because others believe that same thing. This is understandable; often it's quite useful to seek evidence externally (particularly for quantitative scientific analysis), but when it comes to matters of spirituality, second-hand knowledge is insufficient. It is too subjective to communicate accurately.
You can read books about enlightenment or God or nirvana or whatever, but they can only you give pointers at how to come to an understanding of them yourself, the teachings do not contain the understanding. The abomination of modern Christianity is a direct result of missing this point, IMO. There are millions of utterly different ideas of what God is, because so many believe that understanding can be related directly with words and concepts.
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8587984 - 07/02/08 02:21 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said:
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TheHappieHippies said:
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When you "know" something on this forum and you say you know it some of us like you to demonstrate it.
Regardless of whether it is proof enough for you, it IS indeed proof enough for me.
What could I be risking by trusting in that? Embarrassment? Who cares? If my understanding is wrong, it will have caused me to harm none.
This is a good point. This issue comes up all the time in this forum. One user 'knows' something through personal experience or intuition, but it cannot be proven to another user, because internal experiences cannot be communicated to another except by subjective anecdotes.
You are right, you do not have to prove your understanding to anybody. But when you want to share your understanding -- which, like all knowledge, amounts only to a personal belief -- many users in this forum will ignore it or criticize it if you do not include objective evidence they can understand. It's just par for the course here.
Here's the way I see it: The purpose of evidence is so that one can share conclusions with other people; one feels safer believing what they believe because others believe that same thing. This is understandable; often it's quite useful to seek evidence externally (particularly for quantitative scientific analysis), but when it comes to matters of spirituality, second-hand knowledge is insufficient. It is too subjective to communicate accurately.
You can read books about enlightenment or God or nirvana or whatever, but they can only you give pointers at how to come to an understanding of them yourself, the teachings do not contain the understanding. The abomination of modern Christianity is a direct result of missing this point, IMO. There are millions of utterly different ideas of what God is, because so many believe that understanding can be related directly with words and concepts.
Good post!!
Its all about wanting an objective proof when the proof is in the subject, those that want objective proof of absolute will NEVER have it, or you could say they will mature until they are ripe, as awakening is inevitable.
When it comes to absolute truth, understanding, knowing, & proof only come from direct personal experience.
Loads of people who have blind faith lose it due to losing loved ones.
"Where's god when i'm pissed of?"
Those that know through divine experience can go through hell and still stay knowing truth. It can only be through personal experience that you can realize what is not personal!
Asking for proof is great, but usually comes from the minds cynicism, when asking for proof comes sincerely from the heart as a yearning for truth you will discover truth.
Rarely does the yearning come from the heart as we have been living in the mind ignoring the heart for so long.
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8588141 - 07/02/08 03:11 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Asking for proof is great, but usually comes from the minds cynicism, when asking for proof comes sincerely from the heart as a yearning for truth you will discover truth.
That is a nice thought... but it is entirely full of shit.
Asking for proof is not great.
Asking for proof is LOGICAL.
Anything else is just blind faith.
A yearning for truth will not show you the truth... unless you believe imaginary truths are as true as actual truths.
Just 'cause you talk and think like a stoner/tripper... doesn't make it true.
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Chronic777]
#8588664 - 07/02/08 06:14 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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"Learning is sweet & a very fun play but truly what you are in essence learns nothing new, you only remember what you have forgotten"
Honestly...??
Lock a kid in a closet and see how developed they become when you ignore them, treat them like shit, and neglect them.
A child would have to learn to not repeat these same mistakes. That is a large step, imo. One a large amount of people don't even consider.
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I went from Jewish to atheist(or a state of withdrawal from religion) to believing in something that would be an insult or completely wrong if it were to be explained with specific detail.
I'm a big picture type of guy who believes in a lot of gray area.
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Cervantes]
#8590278 - 07/03/08 02:23 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Chronic777 said:
Asking for proof is great, but usually comes from the minds cynicism, when asking for proof comes sincerely from the heart as a yearning for truth you will discover truth.
That is a nice thought... but it is entirely full of shit.
Asking for proof is not great.
Asking for proof is LOGICAL.
Anything else is just blind faith.
A yearning for truth will not show you the truth... unless you believe imaginary truths are as true as actual truths.
Just 'cause you talk and think like a stoner/tripper... doesn't make it true.
Just because you berate and deconstruct like a Swami, doesn't make you a Swami! 
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Doesn't make you one either. Swami was a class act and was banned long ago. So don't pretend.
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What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. R.A.W.
I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions. R.A.W.
embrace death in all the ways it comes no matter how soft or hard. cruel ,tragic,weak,light, gentle, ect how ever. thats life
Edited by Icelander (07/03/08 10:29 AM)
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Just because you berate and deconstruct like a Swami, doesn't make you a Swami!
My Swami is longer than yours.
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Re: My Personal Philosophy of God [Re: Cervantes]
#8591426 - 07/03/08 12:44 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Don't make me get out my deli slicer. 
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