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 Why do humans put faith in things which are not there?
#8588815 - 07/02/08 06:53 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Why do humans believe in invisible things?
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8588934 - 07/02/08 07:28 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Why do humans believe in invisible things?
Can you see energy, sir??
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8588948 - 07/02/08 07:32 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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right...cause they can't prove they are not there...
btw...r u not human urself??
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8588962 - 07/02/08 07:36 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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you think we would be posting these words here if we didn't have some form of belief in them?
we're all swimming in an imaginary world, some more than others
some kinda see through the bs... others completely mistake their world-view for reality
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you have an anchor, that you don't know you have, it's an invisible anchor
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8589103 - 07/02/08 08:20 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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backfromthedead said:
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Cervantes said:
Why do humans believe in invisible things?
Can you see energy, sir??
Of course not. Nor can I see thoughts... and yet, I believe in thoughts and energy.
Now can you answer the question I actually asked, sir?
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8589546 - 07/02/08 10:22 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Probably because it's easier than having to deal with an unstable world.
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8589758 - 07/02/08 11:19 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
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backfromthedead said:
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Cervantes said:
Why do humans believe in invisible things?
Can you see energy, sir??
Of course not. Nor can I see thoughts... and yet, I believe in thoughts and energy.
Now can you answer the question I actually asked, sir?
Because we have no reason not to believe in these things, and every reason to.
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8589763 - 07/02/08 11:20 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Why do humans believe in invisible things?
like that invisible thing between magnets?
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It provides for all people
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 Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cracka_X]
#8589848 - 07/02/08 11:38 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
But, to answer your question....
Because some invisible things are worthy of building a "trust" with, which in turn builds faith....
>^;;^<
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8589865 - 07/02/08 11:41 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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PhanTomCat said:
"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
Yeah... yeah... your sig rocks... and I had to highlight it a few months ago in order to read it 'cause I am on a white background.
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But, to answer your question....
Because some invisible things are worthy of building a "trust" with, which in turn builds faith....
Yes... but how can we tell the difference?
Obviously some invisible things are better than others... no?
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8589884 - 07/02/08 11:45 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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PhanTomCat said:
"The most important things in life that are often ignored, are the things that one cannot see...."
But, to answer your question....
Because some invisible things are worthy of building a "trust" with, which in turn builds faith....
>^;;^<
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For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
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In this way it is just like Tao
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 Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8589934 - 07/02/08 11:54 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
I had to highlight it a few months ago in order to read it 'cause I am on a white background.
LoL, that made it even more perfect, in an ironic way....! 
The words you couldn't see were the only "important" ones.... 
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Cervantes said:
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But, to answer your question....
Because some invisible things are worthy of building a "trust" with, which in turn builds faith....
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Yes... but how can we tell the difference?
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Obviously some invisible things are better than others... no?
Telling the difference is subjective, and prolly~ depends upon the most common method for how their past faith based ideals developed....
For some things it is trial and error, for other things it is taught (money see monkey do), and still others I guess a level of faith is built through repetition....
And there are prolly~ other reasons still....
It is a start to an answer.... 
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8589981 - 07/03/08 12:06 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Yes... sure...
But Christians, Muslims, Jews... who is right? Are they all wrong?
Energy exists... right? But people who hold crystals and say they can feel the energy coming from them are full of shit.
Thoughts exist... but many thoughts are full of shit.
Faith is an odd thing.
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8590087 - 07/03/08 12:39 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Yes... sure...
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But Christians, Muslims, Jews... who is right? Are they all wrong?
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Energy exists... right? But people who hold crystals and say they can feel the energy coming from them are full of shit.
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Thoughts exist... but many thoughts are full of shit.
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Faith is an odd thing.
Aaahhh, you had a specific target of spiritual faith in mind - my mindset was just faith in a very general way....
My thoughts still apply....
With religion, who knows who is right....
If a person's faith changes their life in a way that gives them favorable results towards their life goals, does that make it "right"....?
(and yes, there are extremes that can be pointed out that don't seem "right")
As for the energy/crystal thing, I dunno~....
It is not a feeling I have ever experienced....
Besides the way they light up my mind when I study complex crystal structures, in complete awe....
In that way, crystals have a very relaxing yet inspiring effect on me....
Many thoughts may be full of shit, and many may not be....
And the ones chosen to live with prolly~ still boils down to what works in the person with the thoughts....
Life itself is an odd thing....
Faith is just another odd phenomenon type system that is based on other odd phenomenon type systems within the construct of life.... 
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8590143 - 07/03/08 01:08 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Some people say that the very fact that humans have an idea of some sort of invisible, metaphysical deity at all is proof that there is indeed the existence of such a thing.
Of course, this is easily disputed when one has an idea of a six headed monkey lizard, or something completely new and not present in nature (like the wheel).
Personally, I think there is a God. I think this because I've always thought it. The only real logic behind it is that I assume all the matter in the universe must have come from something. For me, God is more the laws of nature that make things the way they are, like gravity and magnetism and energy, but I do occasionally think of God as a real being.
I don't think there's a single religion in the world that has "God" totally right. Does that necessarily mean they're wrong? I don't think so. We're so insignificant in the grand scheme of things, I don't think a higher power would hold it against us if we can't wrap out mind around the big cosmic mysteries of life and faith and God.
Hope that maybe goes towards answering some of your questions, though in the end, it's just the opinion of one small, insignificant, flawed and more or less ignorant person.
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 Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8590152 - 07/03/08 01:15 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Why do humans believe in invisible things?
Partly because most of them were indoctrinated as children during imprint vulnerability.
It took me 19 years to fully uninstall my Christer Spamware.
We have 6,000 years of myths to draw on from around the world and a study of the oldest shed light on the Roman/British buy-bull.
Most people are lazy and would rather have some fast-food version of our origins and purpose spoon-fed to them,
instead of taking the time to study Pagan Mythology, Eastern Philosophy, and Western Hermeticism. 
Mysticism is about mapping the microcosm of the psyche at the same time as the macrocosm of the Source.
No beliefs, only maps and models...
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Middleman]
#8590206 - 07/03/08 01:45 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Middleman said:
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Cervantes said:
Why do humans believe in invisible things?
Partly because most of them were indoctrinated as children during imprint vulnerability.
While plausible... I just wanted to point out that limbic imprints are also, invisible...
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It took me 19 years to fully uninstall my Christer Spamware.
Heh, I feel your pain.
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Mysticism is about mapping the microcosm of the psyche at the same time as the macrocosm of the Source.
No beliefs, only maps and models...
You lost me there... care to reword? Especially the maps and models part... I do see where you are going though. Interesting points.
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8590264 - 07/03/08 02:18 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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OP, can you see friendship? Can you see love? I don't think so.
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: learningtofly]
#8590280 - 07/03/08 02:24 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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No shit.
Care to read this thread before you post again?
We've covered this.
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Re: Why do humans put faith in things which are not there? [Re: Cervantes]
#8590944 - 07/03/08 09:24 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
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backfromthedead said:
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Cervantes said:
Why do humans believe in invisible things?
Can you see energy, sir??
Of course not. Nor can I see thoughts... and yet, I believe in thoughts and energy.
Now can you answer the question I actually asked, sir?
I see energy. That's all. Mostly pouring out of the Sun. Look what it does. Matter is not energy...??
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