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 TheGoodLife
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 The Relativity of Time
#8585070 - 07/01/08 06:16 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Time is relative. What is considered 100 years here on earth, can be just a split second a few light years away. A good example is when you do something fun, like sex, the time seems to fly by. But when your experiencing something unpleasant, like diarhea, the time seems to take forever.
If a person lived to be 90 years old (like Nelson Mandela whose BDay was yesterday). That would be considered long, but in relation to the universal clock it would not even be considered one second. The universal time scale is so unconsciously enormous that our human experience of time is unique to us. Humans have defined what it means to experience a second, an hour, a day, a year, and so on. But an alien life form (if it exists) that is many light years away may experience a human year as 100 years, or vice versa.
What are your thoughts on time?
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PhanTomCat
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 Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: TheGoodLife]
#8585130 - 07/01/08 06:35 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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TheGoodLife said:
But when your experiencing something unpleasant, like diarrhea, the time seems to take forever.
Wait, I thought they called it "the runs" because it went by pretty fast....? 
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blewmeanie
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 Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8585152 - 07/01/08 06:43 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Nah, its called the runs because you go running for the toilet.
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 Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: blewmeanie]
#8585157 - 07/01/08 06:45 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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HHhhhmmmm, I never thunk about it that way.... 
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blewmeanie
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8585175 - 07/01/08 06:51 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Time, and perspective always make for long interesting discussions, but use pooing as an analogy, and its over before it even starts.
Thats relativity.
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8585183 - 07/01/08 06:53 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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I don't know if it's quite relevant, but the experience of time seems to be related to muscle tension, which is related to the ego. When the body is tensed, as part of a program that suggests there is a personal self, there appears to be created a kind of 'passing' or 'duration' of something, which I think might just be our interpretation of the muscular strain.
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blewmeanie
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: burgatory]
#8585199 - 07/01/08 06:57 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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When you are "tense" you pay much closer attention to whats going on around you, it a very natural mammalian response that has helped keep our ancestors in the past from being someones lunch.
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PhanTomCat
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 Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: blewmeanie]
#8585260 - 07/01/08 07:13 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Yes, and it mostly works.....
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8585267 - 07/01/08 07:14 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Not enough heart in the mix often.
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blewmeanie
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8585282 - 07/01/08 07:18 PM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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PhanTomCat said:
Yes, and it mostly works.....
>^;;^<
Surely years of abuse at the hands of Seinfeld had dulled his nerves. Such a shame.
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 redgreenvines
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: burgatory]
#8586783 - 07/02/08 05:08 AM (4 months, 19 days ago) |
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Quote:
burgatory said:
I don't know if it's quite relevant, but the experience of time seems to be related to muscle tension, which is related to the ego. When the body is tensed, as part of a program that suggests there is a personal self, there appears to be created a kind of 'passing' or 'duration' of something, which I think might just be our interpretation of the muscular strain.
there is some connection with tension, but not directly.
usually tension combined with emotion or (psychoactive) "medicine" makes time run more slowly or discontinuously (jumps about);
while tension combined with cool sobriety makes time seem to run fast and continuously.
according to my theory, slower or discontinuous time sense relates to frame stacking (longer fadeouts of sense and memory images), and fast time relates to non-resonant mental states where the tail of one moment barely laps the crest of the next.
tension need not be part of this equation.
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burgatory
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Ah, yeah.
What I'm saying is Time is a physical sensation, which stops when the physical symptoms stop. I might just be talking superficially about the experience of Time. I'm saying if you still the mind you still the world.
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: burgatory]
#8591130 - 07/03/08 10:45 AM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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Some people I know believe that time doesn't exist. But, I keep coming back to entropy. Isn't entropy proof enough that time is real?
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blewmeanie
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: burgatory]
#8591369 - 07/03/08 12:21 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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burgatory said:
Ah, yeah.
What I'm saying is Time is a physical sensation, which stops when the physical symptoms stop. I might just be talking superficially about the experience of Time. I'm saying if you still the mind you still the world.
Are your mind and body separate? You may stop your reception of time, but the world keeps spinning, and you keep aging.
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EternalCowabunga
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: blewmeanie]
#8591806 - 07/03/08 02:48 PM (4 months, 18 days ago) |
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I have this notion...
that when we are babies, and very young - around toddler age, we live as if it was our whole life... what i mean to say is, it's like when you're a young kid your mind is so overwhelming that everything is happening at once, no that's not it..
when you're a kid, death is far far away and the difference between each year is very large, a kid can't even remember what it was like to be 3 when they turn 4 because nothing has passed by
when you get older, i think the mind slows down and life moves slower, and each day is like a lifetime but also nothing has passed by
i cant articulate this very well... ill try again at another time.
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Of the prehistoric caveman, He had nothing but fire, And yet I make more noise, Not because of my tools, But because of a lack.
Ask the shaman
Or rabbi or priest, This modern world keeps a lid on me,
Contains my noise, so I can release it in poetry,
Release it from nothing, nowhere
Was I forgetting that place near my neck?
Ah yes... the jugular
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when you get older, i think the mind slows down and life moves slower, and each day is like a lifetime but also nothing has passed by
Wrong.
Ask any old person, and they'll tell you that time seems to fly by them.
It is simple to explain....when you are young, say when your 5, then each day is only 1/2000th of your life. Or in better terms, all the time that passes during the year that you are 5 is only 1/5th of your life. So every day seems like an eternity.
Then as you get older, say when you are 70, each day is only about 1/25,000th of your life. That is a far smaller number than when you were 5!!! So time seems to fly by, so that one day blends into the next.
Coincidentally, the younger you are the faster you perceive time to fly by, and conversely when you are older time slows down to a crawl. If you take random people off the street and ask them to count out 15 seconds, the younger people will count it in only like 10 seconds, while the older people will be closer to 20 seconds.
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You've felt it your entire life.
That there's something wrong with the world.
You don't know what it is, but it's there....
Like a splinter in your mind...
Driving you mad.
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: trendal]
#8592130 - 07/03/08 04:06 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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I agree.
When you are young, everything is new. Every where you go is a new site with new people, new smells, and new experiences. All new data for your brain to interpret and adapt to in order for it to grow more efficient in identifying, labeling, and referencing in your mind.
As we get older of course we learn more and as our minds have become more organized, the process has become streamlined to accommodate. New experiences, and new stimulation become fewer and fewer as the time passes. The high and low points of life are the only ones we really remember with any clarity, because these are the times when our mind is being fully stimulated into action.
Spend a day staying consciously focused on the present moment, noticing ever little nuance and detail around you. What does it feel like outside? Dont just notice your perception of the temperature, and associate it with a preformed notion of how it should feel, really pay attention to the sun on your skin, and the wind blowing around you. What color are the eyes of the people you meet throughout the day, and what are their names? Pay attention to all of your senses, and interpret the data as its coming into you in real time instead of relying on what you already know from past experience. Too many people walk around in a daze with their minds stuck in the past of the future. Dreaming of what could have been, or what they may do tomorrow.
If you really pay attention to whats going on around you, and stay conscious of the present moment, a day seems to last forever.
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: blewmeanie]
#8592479 - 07/03/08 05:36 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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blewmeanie said:
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burgatory said:
Ah, yeah.
What I'm saying is Time is a physical sensation, which stops when the physical symptoms stop. I might just be talking superficially about the experience of Time. I'm saying if you still the mind you still the world.
Are your mind and body separate? You may stop your reception of time, but the world keeps spinning, and you keep aging.
Yep, but that's what your mind is doing at that point. When your thoughts still, the little bubble reality you create around yourself disappears and your left with what Ken Wilber calls the "Level of Mind"; the singular universal mind. So at that point your mind is spinning the earth and aging your body, and there is no sensation of time. This is the experience of Eternity. The 'eternal now'. But like i said what im saying might be a little misplaced because you're more interested in the physical concept of Time rather than the sensation/experience.
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we must strive against all ill-formed resistance to attain the chalice of a higher spiritual awakening
There's nothing there.
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: trendal]
#8592563 - 07/03/08 06:05 PM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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trendal said:
If you take random people off the street and ask them to count out 15 seconds, the younger people will count it in only like 10 seconds, while the older people will be closer to 20 seconds.
If you take a drummer and guitarist and do the same test, the drummer will count out 15 seconds in 10, and then the guitarist would say "SEE, I told ya~".... 
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Re: The Relativity of Time [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8593635 - 07/04/08 12:20 AM (4 months, 17 days ago) |
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Time is fucking crazy. It's the 4th dimension, created in the primordial soup of the big bang. The most insane thing to me is that time is not just subjective human interpretation; it's an actual physical quantity and dimension.
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