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OrgoneConclusion
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What is so difficult about listing sources?
#8423300 - 05/20/08 07:16 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Newbie after newbie (and a few delusional regulars) comes in here making flat proclamations about the truth without ever saying how they arrived at such a conclusion.
Now why the fuck is that? Could it be because they are parrots regurgitating something they had read or heard and have nothing original?
"We are spirits inhabiting a human body."
"We have seven chakras."
"We are immortal."
"We have lived many lives before."
On and on it goes with nary a validation nor a step-by-step as to how this amazing esoteric knowledge was arrived at.
If you cannot do this at least attribute your borrowed 'knowledge' to whom you are copying.
The reason few, if any, do this, is because their procedure can be quickly deconstructed and exposed for the sham it is.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8423315 - 05/20/08 07:38 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Obviously because your 'facts' are nothing but government propaganda and 'sources' are what scientists use when they are developing new ways to brainwash us. Only by avoiding sources and ignoring facts can the truth be known.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: zouden]
#8423348 - 05/20/08 08:00 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Is that you, Muldar?
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8423557 - 05/20/08 09:38 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Newbie after newbie (and a few delusional regulars) comes in here making flat proclamations about the truth without ever saying how they arrived at such a conclusion.
Now why the fuck is that? Could it be because they are parrots regurgitating something they had read or heard and have nothing original?
"We are spirits inhabiting a human body."
"We have seven chakras."
"We are immortal."
"We have lived many lives before."
On and on it goes with nary a validation nor a step-by-step as to how this amazing esoteric knowledge was arrived at.
If you cannot do this at least attribute your borrowed 'knowledge' to whom you are copying.
The reason few, if any, do this, is because their procedure can be quickly deconstructed and exposed for the sham it is.
I want to see evidence that this is happening...WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES!
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8423754 - 05/20/08 10:56 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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As a person who is new to this forum I would like to respond, you are right. Unfortunately when you are talking about psychology and spiritualality there are less facts than conjecture. Many of the questions are thousands of years old, and still no answers. This type of forum breaks new ground, and the rules should be loosely applied. There are many people here who have put alot of thaught into their ideas, and I am interested in hearing them. However, I have heard your words and I will comply. Hopefully I will become a productive member.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8423814 - 05/20/08 11:13 AM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Wow! A constructive response! Welcome to the Shroomery. I hope you stick around.
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Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: C.M. Mann]
#8423981 - 05/20/08 12:13 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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C.M. Mann said: As a person who is new to this forum I would like to respond, you are right. Unfortunately when you are talking about psychology and spiritualality there are less facts than conjecture. Many of the questions are thousands of years old, and still no answers. This type of forum breaks new ground, and the rules should be loosely applied. There are many people here who have put alot of thaught into their ideas, and I am interested in hearing them. However, I have heard your words and I will comply. Hopefully I will become a productive member.

Most philosophical and spiritual ideas are understandable only from a subjective viewpoint and there will never be any evidence to 'prove' them to another person. This is fine, it isn't necessary to get somebody else to 'get on board' with our own viewpoint, except as far as our egos want us to. But we can still exchange ideas.
Two or more people can arrive at the same subjective interpretation of the universe for themselves, (such as oneness or a higher intelligence) and discuss it here. But they will always face criticism from those who do not value the subjective, in which the only sources are personal experiences that cannot be observed by another.
Yes, we do see a lot of posts where people state their subjective viewpoint as if it is a fact. It's easy to spot this and discuss the idea while keeping in mind that it is subjective, but the cynics are probably not interested in discussing it as much as dismissing it.
Welcome to P & S.
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. -- `Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' -- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8424047 - 05/20/08 12:37 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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WhiskeyClone!  
Your posts are great!
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8424092 - 05/20/08 12:55 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Yes, we do see a lot of posts where people state their subjective viewpoint as if it is a fact. It's easy to spot this and discuss the idea while keeping in mind that it is subjective, but the cynics are probably not interested in discussing it as much as dismissing it.
Who poses the greater threat to mankind, the Grays or the Reptoids?
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8424106 - 05/20/08 01:04 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Who poses the greater threat to mankind, the Grays or the Reptoids?
The reptoids and that's an undisputed fact of conjecture. 
More people have died from snake and aligator attacks then have become depressed and committed suicide from gray skys.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Sure, you have the dolphins to protect you, but here in the desert we are nearly defenseless, though Area 51 does give them some pause.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8424140 - 05/20/08 01:14 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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And what of the mole men living in the hollow earth.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: blewmeanie]
#8424150 - 05/20/08 01:18 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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Awesome.
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WhiskeyClone
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8424153 - 05/20/08 01:21 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Yes, we do see a lot of posts where people state their subjective viewpoint as if it is a fact. It's easy to spot this and discuss the idea while keeping in mind that it is subjective, but the cynics are probably not interested in discussing it as much as dismissing it.
Who poses the greater threat to mankind, the Grays or the Reptoids?
You're moving onto aliens now?
Wrong forum.
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. -- `Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' -- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: blewmeanie]
#8424161 - 05/20/08 01:28 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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blewmeanie said: And what of the mole men living in the hollow earth.
See , your safe orgy. Moles live in the dessert. They will protect you!
I can also send you a dolphin shield from the andromedian galaxy via the sirian stargate. 
The more important question is, have you hugged your iguana today? 

Oh and my source is the akasha record, which can be accessed through your higher heart chakra. For some reason, the akashic records are not hooked up to the internet yet. 
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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (05/20/08 01:33 PM)
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8424170 - 05/20/08 01:30 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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No, I am showing how way too many posts start in the middle with facts not in evidence and then we are supposed to discuss from there BEFORE setting ANY basis for such assumptions.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8424199 - 05/20/08 01:40 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: No, I am showing how way too many posts start in the middle with facts not in evidence and then we are supposed to discuss from there BEFORE setting ANY basis for such assumptions.
I approve of this post.
The fallacy of begging the question is running rampant. Kind of reminds me of something Cervantes and I were discussing yesterday.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8424214 - 05/20/08 01:47 PM (3 months, 16 days ago) |
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>>>>"We have seven chakras."
I've got a lot more of 'em than that.
Parroting isn't such a bad thing, especially when you are here to help them out. If a person parrots enough, (and gets called on it) their conscience may eventually call them out on it. And in doing so, perhaps they will find truth in whatever it is they were parroting.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8492608 - 06/06/08 12:45 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: No, I am showing how way too many posts start in the middle with facts not in evidence and then we are supposed to discuss from there BEFORE setting ANY basis for such assumptions.
Excellent post.
Arguments are frustrating when people will not state their presuppositions/premises. It becomes impossible to meaningfully discuss anything if one person has presumed something to be true but not stated such. You then start at the middle of the dialogue, run into confusion, then backtrack, and finally figure out someone was operating under premises that weren't disclosed- frustrating.
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Re: What is so difficult about listing sources? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8492643 - 06/06/08 12:55 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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On and on it goes with nary a validation nor a step-by-step as to how this amazing esoteric knowledge was arrived at.
Gnosis (from the Greek word for knowledge, γνώσι962;) is used in English to specify the spiritual knowledge of a saint or enlightened human being. It is described as the direct experiential knowledge of the supernatural or divine. This is not enlightenment understood in its general sense of insight or learning (which in Greek is διαφω964;ισις)[1] but enlightenment that validates the existence of the supernatural. -Wiki
Snake's got something ta say about fruit. "That is not for you. Don't."
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