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 The Self
#8464504 - 05/30/08 05:09 PM (5 months, 20 days ago) |
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Perhaps the "Self" is what we have created. If the current human mind is malleable to the point where it creates our
reality, perhaps we have adopted the idea of "Me" or the "Self" and this has blocked us from tapping into the collective
consciousness. Our inner dialogue could be a part of the collective that is just very open to suggestion, or we do not comprehend
our own power over it. So with the invention of the self & the ego, we are stuck. We must dissolve this linear system and discover
that the the "self" is only a confined extension of "All".
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What do u guys think?
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 Re: The Self [Re: SSM_Arts]
#8490541 - 06/05/08 10:04 PM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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From: Ubi
I went to post this in your topic "The Self," but as a newly registered user running on a proxy I can't post in there until I have 50 posts. So I thought I'd share it with you anyways. Feel free to post this as a quote in your thread if you want to.
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the current human mind is malleable
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The current human mind is a what creates the idea of "you" and "me." I believe that enlightenment is a step (if not the whole way) to breaking down this barrier between the separation of the little piece of consciousness that we call "mine" and the collective consciousness that pervades the entire universe.
I feel it important to say that the reason for all existence is to experience, both good and bad experiences are amazing experiences (the other side being non-existence).
Now, the reason that the human mind creates "me" is so that experience can be experienced in millions of different ways. If everyone was forever and continually aware of the communal consciousness then there would be no bully at school or a boss that treats employees like shit because we would all function like ants and experience would be a very common and consistent thing.
I feel like I skipped something...
What do you think?
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Re: The Self [Re: SSM_Arts]
#8490762 - 06/05/08 10:45 PM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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[quote=Ubi]I feel it important to say that the reason for all existence is to experience, both good and bad experiences are amazing experiences (the other side being non-existence).
Now, the reason that the human mind creates "me" is so that experience can be experienced in millions of different ways. If everyone was forever and continually aware of the communal consciousness then there would be no bully at school or a boss that treats employees like shit because we would all function like ants and experience would be a very common and consistent thing.
I feel like I skipped something...
What do you think?
Trying to find a reason for existence is like trying to find a reason for reason. It just happened the way it did, and it is what it is. No one really knows how, why, when, what, or where. And the only "who" is me.
Plurality is an illusion created by division. In reality, everything has oneness. Enlightenment will not make you anything more than an individual, and neither will a higher consciousness. There wouldn't be a bully or a dick boss because people would learn to take responsibility for themselves.
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 Re: The Self [Re: SSM_Arts]
#8490770 - 06/05/08 10:46 PM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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If we could or had the choice to use a feature/sense to "tap into the collective consciousness", we would automatically use it as a basic survival technique....
If we could understand other's conscious thoughts and intentions, all would know if a stranger's intentions were to hurt or befriend you....
If we knew this, we would most likely have a better survival expectations....
Fear might more be lifted, and would make for higher survival rates as a race....
But looking at the world today, I don't see this....
Therefore, I seem to experience the world of my separate self, ucollectivicatedly~ holding only one individualized and personalized consciousness....
Alone....
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I still don't see the ego as something that needs to be obliterated. Instead, perfect it and make it work for you.
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Re: The Self [Re: Boots]
#8491973 - 06/06/08 08:49 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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study self and ego in all cultures
and study the preconceptions about it
try to understand how the hindu idea of ego pervades and distorts our understanding.
try to see how the hindu idea of ego is still brilliant.
there are amazing contradictions and paradoxes.
don't commit to any beliefs until your study is complete.
this study is far ranging and endless.
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Re: The Self [Re: SSM_Arts]
#8492197 - 06/06/08 10:19 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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I think your ideas are interesting. I feel the ego controls the conscious mind.(perception)......... But I am not sure this can be explained by eastern philosophy or western psychedelic research. In other words I don't think we know yet how to describe this "collective consciousness". We have found a way to "dissolve the linear system"( psychedelics ), but even people like Hoffman and Leary have never explained how to control it ........................... There should be more research done in this area, by people like you and those that show more interest than skepticism. I think that it is an important subject.
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Re: The Self [Re: SSM_Arts]
#8492237 - 06/06/08 10:32 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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I feel that things are in orbits/layers/rings/shells/levels/etc...
Deeper and Deeper. In between everything.
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cool chart.
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Re: The Self [Re: SSM_Arts]
#8492399 - 06/06/08 11:26 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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SSM_Arts said:
Perhaps the "Self" is what we have created. If the current human mind is malleable to the point where it creates our reality, perhaps we have adopted the idea of "Me" or the "Self" and this has blocked us from tapping into the collective consciousness. Our inner dialogue could be a part of the collective that is just very open to suggestion, or we do not comprehend our own power over it. So with the invention of the self & the ego, we are stuck. We must dissolve this linear system and discover that the the "self" is only a confined extension of "All".
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What do u guys think?
I see no evidence in philosophy or science that the mind can create reality (that which exists in total outside the mind).
The reflexive portion of the mind makes us unique from other animals.
Why is it important to you to be part of a collective mind?
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BFTD, Do you have any ideas on how you can access the mind beyond these layers or shells, and expand into these deeper areas. Or is it even possible. I have been thinking on this for a long time, and I would like to get some honest input.
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BFTD, Do you have any ideas on how you can access the mind beyond these layers or shells, and expand into these deeper areas. Or is it even possible. I have been thinking on this for a long time, and I would like to get some honest input.
Pattern Recognition, imo.
Lots of Reading.
And certain experiences that have the capacity to overwhelm previous notions of mind, world, reality, history, TRUTH.
And I'll throw in CHRIST. For the sake of discordance. But, with the right reading Christ fits right in...
And a certain stick-to-it-ness... Dare I call it... FAITH??
An Acceptance of opposites in every regard. A willing embrace of duality. WE ALL CHILDREN, BROTHERS.
And the will to proceed in the face of strong community, family, social, faith-based pressure.
A disregard for your mental health as its described RIGHT NOW.
Possible temporary insanity.
Drugs.
A good BULLSHIT STORY.
Shamanism.
Belief.
And a big... FUCK YOU. Like... Complete rejection of the world and self as it is, to allow for something new.
Its like you create a depression... And the shit flows to you.
Like the laws of thermodynamics or something...
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Notice your own shadow is the 'next level' if in to going deeper. And he/she is an absolute BITCH. Then you might think that mushrooms are making you GAY, oh no.
The whole time you're on impulse control with the control freak him/herself while juggling the raging contents that bubbles from the source. A REAL task, imo.
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I agree with what you are saying. The closer you get to these layers, the more abstract your thought becomes. Those who are controled more by their egos see this abstract thought as a psychosis. The closer you come to these layers, the more you have to juggle two realities. ( These realities are ; You are psychotic--- No I'm not ). Just some thoughts!!
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I agree with what you are saying. The closer you get to these layers, the more abstract your thought becomes. Those who are controled more by their egos see this abstract thought as a psychosis. The closer you come to these layers, the more you have to juggle two realities. ( These realities are ; You are psychotic--- No I'm not ). Just some thoughts!!
Exact. So its like... DEATH. REBIRTH. And rather sudden, perhaps after a considerable commitment and an acceptance of the possibilities. A threshold. A door. "Knock and blah blah blah..." A departure. An arrival. A fuckin meltdown. A reassembly stage. Ascension...??
Ain't all heaven and angels, mane.
Aliens makes it just a nad bit more difficult, imo. Or easier. Weird. Especially with the voices... And thought insertion/thought broadcasting.
The underworld?? The hero. Matrix shit. Wake up?? Be the ONE. Fight the machines. Save the people. Its like written into your psyche, by now, I hope.
BULLSHIT STORY?? I think TIME will tell, that is if history hasn't already...!!
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The high and mighty "Self" is represented in the spiritual realm by entities such as Jehova and Ishwara. Those ignorant bastards. There is so much more out there that they miss out on...
Don't take it too seriously. It's just a side-effect of consciousness.
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Re: The Self [Re: Rhizoid]
#8496951 - 06/07/08 05:54 PM (5 months, 12 days ago) |
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Don't take it too seriously. It's just a side-effect of consciousness.
Like a mutation...
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The Self is all that there is. In an objective sense there is nothing there at all, but that isn't a problem until there is an attempt to reach out and define things, for example with science and reason. Science and reason aren't perculiar faculties, they're just the name given to the categorisation and conversion of perception into integers. They won't ever lead anywhere (to a 'higher truth') because it's like stacking blocks on an infinite grid - there will be some illusion of movement and progress, but in fact nothing is happening at all, the blocks are simply stacking. The world does not need to be understood - it is perfectly clear what it is; it's you.
The ego, with its conditioned attachments and perturbation of thought patterns, is like a giant rock caught in an outlet - it gets in the way of correct perception and thought. The actual identity of a person, their full expanded being, is the identity of the Self, and all the individual features of a person are expressed by communicating from the standpoint of this Self. No individuality is expressed by the ego - the ego forces a mold for the mind, stunting individuality. You can function perfectly well without the common ego structure, this thing that invents fear and time. This search for a way to define oneself is inane - you do not need and can never have any definition.
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we must strive against all ill-formed resistance to attain the chalice of a higher spiritual awakening
There's nothing there.
"Dreams: at the bottom of them lies the merciless onslaught of reality."
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So yer tellin me I should coat-rack my ego cloak when I come through the door...
How??
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The Self is all that there is. In an objective sense there is nothing there at all, but that isn't a problem until there is an attempt to reach out and define things, for example with science and reason. Science and reason aren't perculiar faculties, they're just the name given to the categorisation and conversion of perception into integers. They won't ever lead anywhere (to a 'higher truth') because it's like stacking blocks on an infinite grid - there will be some illusion of movement and progress, but in fact nothing is happening at all, the blocks are simply stacking. The world does not need to be understood - it is perfectly clear what it is; it's you.
But understanding the world is the fun part of populating a universe with brains!
This preoccupation with "Self" is not something I would recommend... it will lead to monotheism and hairy palms and lots of other things that block the path of progress.
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