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 "There are no mistakes in the Bible."
#8455361 - 05/28/08 01:22 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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A man once told me that there are no mistakes in the Bible.
When I asked him why, he said it was because God doesn't make mistakes.
I found that to be absolutely retarded, because if it were true, we wouldn't be sitting where we were in that place and time working in an industry that revolved around the concept of moving building materials around, which are happen to be made by pillaging our planet.
The other problem I have with this concept is that God didn't write the damn thing, a bunch of yokels who followed around a professional con-man did.
Seriously, if you think about this for just a minute, how much news in the media can you trust? That too, is written by human hands.
I firmly believe that all of the stories in the Bible are embellished to high hell, and it's a book of lies that spawns rifts between a lot of people because of the way people blindly follow it.
In conclusion, the Bible is an evil product of man.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: Cyric]
#8455368 - 05/28/08 01:24 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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have you ever read the Bible?
the entire message is love...
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: just me]
#8455372 - 05/28/08 01:27 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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just me said:
have you ever read the Bible?
the entire message is love...
All aboard for a thousand years of Christ...!! YeeHaw.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: just me]
#8455400 - 05/28/08 01:34 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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I like the bible. I just wish it was whole. Certain things that should have been part of the Bible were denounced as "heresy" by the Vatican, because the content kinda made them look bad.
But generally, I think Jesus gives an excellent way to live. And I fully believe that one can find enlightenment by following Jesus' way.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: backfromthedead]
#8455402 - 05/28/08 01:35 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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I don't agree that the Bible is free from mistakes, but if you sit down and read it the pieces fit together. Men did write the Bible but God guided man to do so. I don't believe that the Bible is as out of wack as many people believe it to be. The gospel makes sense and should be thoroughly analyzed before it is accepted as garbage.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: Frogol3]
#8455430 - 05/28/08 01:44 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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I recommend this book:
Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why
The popular perception of the Bible as a divinely perfect book receives scant support from Ehrman, who sees in Holy Writ ample evidence of human fallibility and ecclesiastical politics. Though himself schooled in evangelical literalism, Ehrman has come to regard his earlier faith in the inerrant inspiration of the Bible as misguided, given that the original texts have disappeared and that the extant texts available do not agree with one another. Most of the textual discrepancies, Ehrman acknowledges, matter little, but some do profoundly affect religious doctrine. To assess how ignorant or theologically manipulative scribes may have changed the biblical text, modern scholars have developed procedures for comparing diverging texts. And in language accessible to nonspecialists, Ehrman explains these procedures and their results. He further explains why textual criticism has frequently sparked intense controversy, especially among scripture-alone Protestants. In discounting not only the authenticity of existing manuscripts but also the inspiration of the original writers, Ehrman will deeply divide his readers. Although he addresses a popular audience, he undercuts the very religious attitudes that have made the Bible a popular book. Still, this is a useful overview for biblical history collections.
from: Amazon
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: Frogol3]
#8455451 - 05/28/08 01:49 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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The gospels in the Bible were written decades after the death of Christ. Not to mention that there are other more relevant gospels that were among the passages called heresy by the Vatican. The Gospel of Saint Thomas has been accepted as one of the few accounts actually written during the lifetime of Jesus. Many people believe Jesus himself wrote it.
This account includes the words of Jesus, and not the allegorical account of his birth, which seems to be fantastical speculation at best, considering Jesus himself never even referred to his unique "birth story" as told by the Gospels in the Bible.
Furthermore, the gospel of Saint Thomas includes a lot of wisdom relevant to one of the biggest perceived problems most non-christians are aware of. And that is the Church mindset. Jesus said: "The kingdom of God is inside you, and all around you. Not in buildings of brick and stone. Split a piece of wood and you will find me, turn over a rock, and there I am."
Also, Jesus spoke of reincarnation, which has been completely denounced. Also by the Vatican, simply because it did not seem to inspire the type of fear eternal damnation has.
Oh, and one last thing; the whole "salvation" thing is ridiculous. I don't even want to go there.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: Cyric]
#8455459 - 05/28/08 01:50 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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I firmly believe that all of the stories in the Bible are embellished to high hell, and it's a book of lies that spawns rifts between a lot of people because of the way people blindly follow it.
In conclusion, the Bible is an evil product of man.
Sounds like you're a zealot too. Are you just a superior type?
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A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. -- `Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' -- Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#8455466 - 05/28/08 01:52 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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haha
this thread really turned on the guy 
to the OP...i give you this 
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: backfromthedead]
#8455474 - 05/28/08 01:53 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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lol...of topic, but this reminded me of a funny bible verse.
Revelations chapter 15 verse 7 and 8
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One of the four living creatures gave the seven angels seven gold bowls filled with the fury of God, who lives forever and ever.
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Then the temple became so filled with the smoke from God's glory and might that no one could enter it until the seven plagues of the seven angels had been accomplished.
hehe bowl of gods fury...sorry sometimes I'm a childish stoner.
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'I don't even want to go there.'
Oh?? But no one comes to the Father except through me??
Dang. That's ridiculous. Worked for me though.
But I knew the dude was about mushrooms...
John Allegro will tell you that Jesus is a mushroom. (hired to decipher the dead sea scrolls)
And he will wash away your sins.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: blewmeanie]
#8455482 - 05/28/08 01:55 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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hahaha...
id hate to get a plate of what that guy had...
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: just me]
#8455507 - 05/28/08 02:04 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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To some extent I agree with the OP.
I don't think the Bible was meant to be at all actually. Why catalog only certain relevant texts and call them Holy? It is a widely known fact that things have been edited by MAN, so even if they were HOLY originally, they have been corrupted now. The separate books in the Bible and other relevant texts may or may not be holy.
As for me... I am content in not knowing everything. Like homosexuality for instance, some say it is a sin, some say gays can't be Christians. I am not divine, that decision is not mine to make. I am not homosexual (much) and I realize too that sins are sins and it impossible to live without sinning. So, if homosexuality is a sin, then gays are no worse then fat people who indulge in gluttony, which is actually one of the seven DEADLY sins. I don't see anyone saying fat people need to be saved. Regardless, I will leave that one up to the divine, because my understanding it won't make me more holy for sure.
The term "Holier than thou" applies to more Christians then any other religion on a whole. And the most ironic thing of it all, is Catholicism. The religion responsible for defining many of the "rules" and declaring certain texts sacreligious, and sweeping certain things under a rug (or into a vault never to see sunlight again) is the one branch of Christianity known for it's "lay followers" in other words people who don't observe traditions and laws.
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Certain things that should have been part of the Bible
On what do you base this wild assumption?
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But generally, I think Jesus gives an excellent way to live.
Do you honestly believe that if someone quoted you 100 years from now without any record, that it would be in any way accurate?
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To some extent I agree with the OP.
I don't think the Bible was meant to be at all actually. Why catalog only certain relevant texts and call them Holy? It is a widely known fact that things have been edited by MAN, so even if they were HOLY originally, they have been corrupted now. The separate books in the Bible and other relevant texts may or may not be holy.
As for me... I am content in not knowing everything. Like homosexuality for instance, some say it is a sin, some say gays can't be Christians. I am not divine, that decision is not mine to make. I am not homosexual (much) and I realize too that sins are sins and it impossible to live without sinning. So, if homosexuality is a sin, then gays are no worse then fat people who indulge in gluttony, which is actually one of the seven DEADLY sins. I don't see anyone saying fat people need to be saved. Regardless, I will leave that one up to the divine, because my understanding it won't make me more holy for sure.
The term "Holier than thou" applies to more Christians then any other religion on a whole. And the most ironic thing of it all, is Catholicism. The religion responsible for defining many of the "rules" and declaring certain texts sacreligious, and sweeping certain things under a rug (or into a vault never to see sunlight again) is the one branch of Christianity known for it's "lay followers" in other words people who don't observe traditions and laws.
i trust the LOVE that i read in the Bible...
but just like you said Sin is Sin...none greater than the other. none more excusable than the other.
and you put it prefectly and this is what i always let ppl know when i tell them of my beliefs in God...that I am NOT the judge. im just as lost as you. i try my hardest to live by the spirit but in no way does that mean im better than ANYONE
and youre right that "christians" get a holier than thou attitude and then turn around and only help those in their vacinity(i cant say this for all "christians" but the majority) they are not TRUE believers...
i am a beliver in Jesus Christ, and i thikn living in a way that would be pleasing to hhm and God is a win for me
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Certain things that should have been part of the Bible
On what do you base this wild assumption?
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But generally, I think Jesus gives an excellent way to live.
Do you honestly believe that if someone quoted you 100 years from now without any record, that it would be in any way accurate?
Well, it depends on how important/famous I am doesn't it? There are many famous people whom we quote all of the time who are over a hundred years dead. I don't think those quotes are false. Obviously some errors could have been made, which is exactly why I take issue with the gospels accepted into the Bible (which by the way were written 30-40 years after Jesus died, not 100). But, as I said before, the Gospel of Saint Thomas was written during the lifetime of Christ, and it contains his words, not his life story based upon speculation. The words of Jesus expressed in that account tell of an EXCELLENT way to live. 
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Quotes of men 100 years ago were generally written down at the time, not generations later as in the bible.
You have failed to address how you know which books 'should' be in the bible.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: just me]
#8455561 - 05/28/08 02:16 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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Drop the Jesus part and everything is gravy, imo.
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Re: "There are no mistakes in the Bible." [Re: backfromthedead]
#8455577 - 05/28/08 02:20 PM (5 months, 22 days ago) |
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You may audition for the Lazarus role in my upcoming movie.
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Quotes of men 100 years ago were generally written down at the time, not generations later as in the bible.
As were Jesus' words written down, possibly by his own hand in the Gospel of Saint Thomas, which I have already stated more then once...
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You have failed to address how you know which books 'should' be in the bible.
I cannot fail at addressing something that I don't even believe. I have already stated that I don't think there should BE a Bible, and I already given my reasons why. Consider the issue officially addressed.
You are not required to agree with me. It is quite possible that we are both right and it is just as possible that we are both wrong. Fortunately for me, I don't debate right and wrong when it comes to issues of spiritual belief, as we are ALL on our own unique paths. I was simply stating my personal beliefs, which is what I thought was the OP's intent...
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