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 OrgoneConclusion
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 Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma)
#8415092 - 05/18/08 12:02 AM (4 months, 25 days ago) |
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Just watched Clint Eastwood's academy award-winning movie. It is not really a boxing movie as much as it is a father/daughter love story. Both characters are emotionally damaged, but fulfill a need in the other.
Maggie, the main character, a boxer, gets spinal damage and is paralyzed for life. She begs Frank (Clint), her manager and trainer who took her to the top, to take her life. A church-going Catholic, he stresses out big time and finally capitulates by disconnecting her from life support out of compassion.
What do you think if it was for real - moral or immoral? Would you do it?
I won't tell you that I cried like a baby at the end as that would ruin my rep as a hard ass.
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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (05/18/08 11:17 AM)
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aDoS
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If people want to die they should be able to. But asking someone to do it for you is so selfish.
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 Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: aDoS]
#8415976 - 05/18/08 11:09 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Especially when you're quadraplegic or paralyzed for life. Hold your breath and die with honor !
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Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: deimya]
#8415981 - 05/18/08 11:11 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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You can't kill yourself by holding your breath.
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Re: Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8415995 - 05/18/08 11:19 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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I suppose she was in a great deal of pain?
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Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: Compass]
#8416057 - 05/18/08 11:46 AM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Your sarcasm detector is broken.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: deimya]
#8416127 - 05/18/08 12:17 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: deimya]
#8416167 - 05/18/08 12:28 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
deimya said:
Your sarcasm detector might be broken.
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Re: Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8416288 - 05/18/08 01:04 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Just watched Clint Eastwood's academy award-winning movie. It is not really a boxing movie as much as it is a father/daughter love story. Both characters are emotionally damaged, but fulfill a need in the other.
Maggie, the main character, a boxer, gets spinal damage and is paralyzed for life. She begs Frank (Clint), her manager and trainer who took her to the top, to take her life. A church-going Catholic, he stresses out big time and finally capitulates by disconnecting her from life support out of compassion.
What do you think if it was for real - moral or immoral? Would you do it?
I won't tell you that I cried like a baby at the end as that would ruin my rep as a hard ass.
Yeah I always cry when things get real. I would surely do it if I wouldn't go to prison for it. I might do it anyway under unusual circumstances but would off myself if confronted with prison for it.
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Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: deimya]
#8416317 - 05/18/08 01:13 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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if someone wishes to die, they should be given a tank of nitrous with a mask. Pure nitrous, not the kind mixed with oxygen. They get breathe, get higher and higher and higher until they go unconscious and while they are unconscious they will continue breathing the nitrous and then BAM, they die.
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Re: Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma) [Re: Icelander]
#8416318 - 05/18/08 01:13 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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I stubbed my little toe this morning and it really hurts. Will you 'put me down'?
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Re: Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8416328 - 05/18/08 01:16 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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'...they should be given a tank of nitrous with a mask.'
That just made me think of Pauly Shore. 
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Re: Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma) [Re: backfromthedead]
#8416337 - 05/18/08 01:18 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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That just made me...
Take it to the 'Free Will' thread.
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Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: aDoS]
#8416359 - 05/18/08 01:23 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
aDoS said:
if someone wishes to die, they should be given a tank of nitrous with a mask. Pure nitrous, not the kind mixed with oxygen. They get breathe, get higher and higher and higher until they go unconscious and while they are unconscious they will continue breathing the nitrous and then BAM, they die.
Helium even works better.  Helium has an advantage of no brain damage if the person is revived. Also helium is easy to find legally.
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Edited by Icelander (05/18/08 01:25 PM)
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Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: Icelander]
#8416367 - 05/18/08 01:25 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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And when they wake up they sound like Mike Tyson.
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Re: Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8416370 - 05/18/08 01:26 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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That just made me...
Take it to the 'Free Will' thread.
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Re: Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8417305 - 05/18/08 05:15 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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As long as the person I was talking to was in a mentally stable, coherent state of mind and I would suffer not legal damages, I definitely would.
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Million Dollar Baby (Euthanasia Dilemma) [Re: Redstorm]
#8417677 - 05/18/08 06:58 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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That would take all the excitement out of it.
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Re: Million Dollar Baby [Re: deimya]
#8417728 - 05/18/08 07:08 PM (4 months, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
deimya said:
Especially when you're quadraplegic or paralyzed for life. Hold your breath and die with honor !
WINNAR! I lol'd.
Seriously though, this is a huge topic in medical ethics. Kervorkian avoids this problem by merely setting up the machinery and letting the patient who wishes to die hit a button that starts the machine. It is not Kervorkian inserting needles or providing the machine that actually does the killing, then. It is the patient's pushing of the button, exercising free will, that kills.
However, in this specific case the actor (father) is free from responsibility, legally, due to the patient's informed consent.
On the other hand, I fear it is nearly impossible to justify this act through Christian values. Nowhere in the bible is mercy killing condoned. So if the father is ready to flesh it out with god in the afterlife, then that is his own faith, guilt, consciosness and god that he must deal with.
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