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 Plok
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 DMT ingestion
#4982993 - 11/26/05 12:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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If one were to extract DMT from MHRB using the Marsofold tek, would the product be safe to orally ingest? Would it be any more dangerous than smoking it, assuming that everything was done right in the tek?
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 Magickow
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Re: DMT ingestion [Re: Plok]
#4983100 - 11/26/05 12:50 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi polk,
I have ingested 300mg of dmt awhile ago.
it took about an hour to an hour in a half to feel the effects.
the feeling for me was like smoking small doses of dmt that last for hours. i never did it since then.
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kaniz
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Re: DMT ingestion [Re: Magickow]
#4983349 - 11/26/05 02:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you take a MAOI prior to ingestion? From what I've read, DMT is not orally active unless you take a MAOI (ie: Rue) about ~30 mins before taking the DMT.
Anywho, do you have a link to the Marsofold tek? I've tried finding it on the net, but the only place I could find it was DMT world - and thats offline, and the pages arnt in the google cache.
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Magickow
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Re: DMT ingestion [Re: kaniz]
#4983387 - 11/26/05 02:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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no i did not take any maoi.
for mar's tek it goes something like this:
Take 1 pound of Mimosa Hostilis Rootbark( easy to find on the net) and break it up into smaller pieces and put in a crock-pot with 1 pint of vinegar and 3 1/2 quarts of water, set the crock-pot on high for 4 hours and stir now and then. After the 4 hours take the crock-pot out and pour it into a gallon glass container (be careful not to get the rootbark in it, just the liquid) Let it set for a couple of hours till everything settles to the bottom. Now take the glass container full of liquid and pour it into a 1 gallon glass wine jug ( be careful not to let any of the sludge on the bottom get into the glass wine jug) Now take 4 tablespoons(50 grams) of pure lye(red devil works great) and mix it with 1 pint of hot water in a glass mason jar (be careful) Now take this and pour it into the glass wine jug (use a funnel it helps) Shake the jug. Now take 200ml of VM&P naptha (you can find this at your local hardware store, its very common) pour it into the jug and shake the jug. Now leave the jug undisturbed for a couple hours. Now take a turkey baster and suck up the clear part of the jug into a mason jar (do not get any of the dark stuff, not even a drop just the clear stuff) Once you get the clear stuff into the mason jar, put it in the freezer over-night. Now take the funnel and put it in a cup and put a coffee filter into the funnel. Now take the mason jar out of the freezer and shake it up to get the crystals unstuck to the sides of the mason jar and pour it into the the coffee filter (might want to do this quickly because the crystals will liquefy and if that happens you can just put it back into the freezer) Now once you pour it into the coffee filter you'll see lots of crystals(DMT!) Let it dry in the filter. Once its dried take 35ml of Janitorial Strength Ammonia (easily found at your local hardware store) and put it in the refrigerator, once its cooled pour it over the DMT to clean off the lye and naptha. Let it dry in the filter, once its dried take 60mg a large pea size amount of dmt and put it on top of some ash or parsley and lay on the floor and smoke it all with-in three hits.
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Koala Koolio
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Re: DMT ingestion [Re: Magickow]
#4984017 - 11/26/05 06:15 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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How do you suppose it worked without an MAOI? It has been suggested that MHRB might contain a small amount of some kind of MAOI. Don't think it has ever been confirmed though.
On any medications? The MAO enzymes *really* give DMT a beating. More so than any other tryptamine as far as I know.
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stemmer
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Ive also heard that about it containing small amounts of maois.
Reguardless, maois are necessary when eating dmt. If the dmt plant doesnt have maois, then it doesnt work orally without additional maois.
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happysun
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Re: DMT ingestion [Re: Magickow]
#4984168 - 11/26/05 06:55 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hopefully this will be easier to read... I'm working on a dmt extraction to. Good luck!
How to easily make DMT:
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Break 1-Pound of Mimosa Hostilis rootbark into 2" pieces and grind it all up in a glass-topped blender, a little at a time.
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Polar Extraction: Premix in an empty 1-Gallon plastic jug: 1-Pint White Vinegar & 3-1/2 Quarts Water. Put the ground up Mimosa in a 3-Liter crockpot, then fill it with the water-vinegar solution. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off most of the liquid into a 1-gallon wide-mouthed glass or stainless container. Add the remaining water-vinegar solution to the crockpot again. Stir well and turn it on "high". After 2 hours, remove the crockpot ceramic liner, hold the lid on slightly offset, and pour off all of the liquid into the same container again. Discard the rootbark fiber and save the two combined extractions in the 1-gallon container. Allow the vegetable particles in the extraction in the 1-gallon container to settle to the bottom overnight. Then pour off the liquid into an empty 1-Gallon GLASS wine jug, being careful not
to pour off any of the vegetable sludge at the bottom. Discard the sludge and keep the contents of the wine jug.
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Basification: Premix in advance a solution of: 4 Tablespoons (50grams) of Sodium Hydroxide ("Red Devil" lye) with 1-Pint of HOT Water. Stir well. Slowly add this solution to the wine jug, then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug back and forth for 1 full minute to mix the contents.
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Nonpolar Extraction: Add 200ml of (Ace Hardware)VM&P Naptha to the wine jug, then cap the jug. Gently tilt the wine jug back and forth for 3 full minutes to mix the contents. Allow the jug to sit undisturbed on a table for 3 hours. There should now be two layers visible in the jug, a lower dark one and a smaller clear one on top. Use a glass turkey baster to suck up the top layer into a pint mason jar. Be careful not to suck up any of the lower brown/black layer into the mason jar.
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Freeze-precipitation/wash: place the sealed mason jar in a FREEZER for 3 days to precipitate the crystals. Prepare a filter setup by placing a funnel into a quart mason jar and putting a small coffee filter paper into the funnel. Shake the naptha in the mason jar strongly to stir up all the crystals at the bottom and quickly pour while still very cold into the funnel for filtering. Impure yellow-white DMT crystals will be seen on the coffee filter paper. Allow the crystals to completely dry out on the filter paper in the funnel. Chill a bottle of NON-SOAPY clear Ammonium Hydroxide(Ace Hardware Janitorial Strength Ammonia) in a refrigerator. Slowly pour 35ml of the cold ammonia over the crystals (still in the filter paper) to wash them. Remove the filter paper from the funnel, spread it out flat and allow the crystals to COMPLETELY dry out. You will now have 2-1/2 grams of white crystal DMT. Mix it with some parsley and smoke a little in your favorite pipe!
(chilled ammonia updated 4 aug 05 loki)
------UPDATE! Added june 8:
Here are some tips for improving the yield:
#1 Grind the rootbark up to 1mm diameter or smaller. Finer is better.
#2 Use three water-vinegar extractions rather than two. Divide up the water-vinegar mix so that you roughly use 50% for the first extraction, 25% for the second, and 25% for the third extraction. After the last extraction press out the fiber to squeeze the last bit of liquid from it.
#3 Basify to a ph of 13. If you don't have ph papers, basify till it turns black, then add an additional 25% of whatever amount of basification solution you used. This is to guarantee that you're at a ph of 13. The brown foam you see floating on top of the basified extract after tilting the jug should flatten out to a thickness of no more than 1/2" after 45 minutes or so if you've used enough lye. Add a bit more lye and re-tilt if it's thicker than that.
#4 Naptha: the freeze-precipitation technique is a double-edged sword. Very convenient and high quality, but highly dependent upon knowing the approximate amount of DMT expected to be precipitated. If you use too much naptha, then only a little bit precipitates out. If you use too little, then it doesn't extract it all out of solution. It is the simplest case of recrystalization. The best way using it if you aren't very sure of the yield is to use a slight excess to extract, then evaporate it down to 10% of the original volume. THEN freeze it. This will pretty much guarantee excellent results. For example: For a pound of rootbark use 500 milliliters of naptha to extract. Then evaporate it down to 50 milliliters. Then freeze it and filter out the crystals. By the way, you must very quickly filter it within a minute or two after removal from the freezer so it doesn't have any time to warm up. And your freezer can't be marginally cold. If it doesn't freeze ice cream HARD,then it isn't cold enough. -20C is about where it should be.
#5 Washing: Be sure that the crystals are absolutely DRY before washing. An alternative to the ammonia-water wash is to use 25 milliliters of ICE COLD distilled water to wash.
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Well, that's it. Every yield tip I can think of. Possibly try another vendor for better rootbark. Mars
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kaniz
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Re: DMT ingestion [Re: happysun]
#4984370 - 11/26/05 07:38 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for that - my curioisty of DMT has been increasing to almost unbearable levels as of late - and thinking this may make for an interesting processs for my first extraction attempt.
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coda
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Re: DMT ingestion [Re: kaniz]
#4984724 - 11/26/05 08:58 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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if your freezer doesnt hit the right temps, can you use dry ice to cool the jar down even farther?
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Re: DMT ingestion [Re: coda]
#4984859 - 11/26/05 09:52 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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You really want it freezing for a very long time. 3 days is overkill some say, but others will swear by it.
You can always get what you can from freezing, so you'll have immediate product, and leave the rest to evaporate. Like the above tek states, it is good to know how much you expect. Still, the yields range from .57% (the old "standard") and 1.2%+. The more potent are sometimes just the inner, pinker parts of the bark. I've heard of such stuff yielding over 1.5%.
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